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Posts like the one this article cites illustrate why I think lots of Daily Kos users are racist. I don’t mean in the way that a place like 4chan has normalized racial slurs or how the Daily Caller will flat out say that victims of police brutality deserve it. Rather, there is a pervasive view that middle class college educated Western whites who identify with a centrist political party are the most enlightened demographic in the world, while the rest of us losers are uncivilized to varying degrees (for the record, I am middle class and college educated, but not white).

For example, the way posters on another diary were discussing the supposedly ingrained misogyny among Black and Hispanic men made my skin crawl. I’m not going to deny that such sentiments exist among some Black and Hispanic men (and women) but the way they were framing it as “the culture(s) that spawned ‘those people’ are clearly backward, deficient, and the opposite of mine” was gross.

Likewise, the way some posters are almost gleeful at the prospect of Muslim and/or Arab voters who “don’t fall in line” being deported or put in camps is vile. I’ve read that in Dearborn, people are attending funerals or memorials every day. There are individuals who have lost dozens of family members. If hypothetical Carole from Brookline, MA can’t understand why someone in Dearborn who has lost practically their entire family under a Democratic administration can’t see how things could get any worse under Trump, she’s either being dumb on purpose or she truly is permanently deranged by Trump. You would know better than I would, but it appears like just about every self-identified Arab and/or Muslim member at Daily Kos has gotten BoJoed for trying to discuss Middle Eastern issues as a person whose community/family has been negatively affected by US foreign policy. The Uncommitted movement tried to appeal to party leadership during the Democratic Convention and they were basically told to get lost and that nothing was going to change in regard to Palestine. If that’s truly the case, why do so many Daily Kos readers feel like Kamala Harris is entitled to their votes?

In a way, I think that Trump’s win in 2016 was a godsend for the DNC. It became evident to me in 2017 that the DNC was using Hillary’s loss to marginalize the social democratic wing (aka Bernie Bros) while also promoting her as this wronged beacon of democracy. Trump’s terrible optics also meant that even the most lackluster Democrats could be portrayed as paragons of responsible and progressive (but not really, wink-wink) governance. As long as Blue MAGA pushes mindless conformity to the elderly and out of touch leadership and frightens people with the specter of Trump, the rank and file will gladly keep marching to the right. To be a “reality based community” would require Daily Kos users to realize that the Democratic Party of 2024 is ideologically the same as the GOP of 2002, but I doubt that will happen.

Lastly, don’t know if you would know this, but I’ve been wondering about the exact relationship is between Daily Kos and the Democratic Party as an organization. Is that site just an unofficial meeting group for Boomer and Gen X Democratic super-fans or is it a front for disseminating official talking points to the rank and file? The way that anyone who doesn’t think that the fossilized centrist leadership are the reincarnation of the New Deal cabinet gets BoJoed makes me wonder. I know that any political site has its ideological limits, but the way that the DNC is purging its ranks of DSAers and the enthusiastic response to said purges (while still demanding that social democrats uncritically support centrist non-entities) indicates that the supposed Big Tent of the Democrats can contain the Cheneys

but not Cori Bush. Clearly, the Overton Window is moving far to the right, but users there don’t seem to perceive it.

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DK has changed quite a bit. Or maybe it’s the same ol same ol and I have changed. I think there is a close knit and rather large group of well knowns who have decided they are the adults in the room and that their work is necessary in order to shape a certain narrative.

It really irked me with all the support for Garland and his decision to drag out the pursuit of criminal charges against Trump for Jan6. It seemed this effort to protect Garland was coordinated. I sort of soured on the place around that time. Then Gaza and ANY support for Palestinians and any support for student protests was attacked at the least and in many cases, a comment in support of the Palestinians got flagged or the commenter was accused of antisemitism. I try to be reasonable and I got a warning from admin for recommending a comment. I lost the ability to comment until I removed the rec. Since then, I have avoided most diaries that pertain to Israel and I am sure my views are unpopular over there with regard to Gaza and Israel.

I do think tho that Harris has been a great candidate. I will be voting for her. I disagree with American foreign policy concerning Israel. I hope we change course. A Trump win will make everything much much worse. Exponentially worse. So as I said, I will be voting for Harris. Without hesitation. There is no other candidate that has even a tiny chance of beating Trump.

But yeah, DK has its own little corner of the universe and I think it likely that the regulars over there (big names with huge followings) have an outsized view of their importance. All true tho… a Trump win will be absolutely catastrophic. I am sure of this.

As for who wins Michigan, I can’t make a prediction. But I think our support for Israel hurts with young voters. It hurts in Michigan. And most importantly, it is devastating for the Palestinian people who are suffering and dying and facing extermination. Like your essay mentioned few days back, this damages all of humanity. When we provide support and weapons used in a genocide, we are not direct victims. But it does cut into our humanity. As we cast about for excuses, we are liars. We will be writing a history of this time in a way that excuses our policy. But there is no excuse. I hope we change course.

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