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Five Cents's avatar

I will be voting for Biden if his name is on the ballot. I strongly oppose what he is putting forward as American policy toward Israel. I think the US government is helping carry out a genocide. A Trump win would be 100xs worse. I am absolutely sure of that and because of that sureness I feel no ethical conflict for my vote. None. But it makes me SICK that this IS where we are. I have no idea where all of this ends up. We, the American people, have allowed this to be the reality. So I accept my part in it. I am not a revolutionary. But I think I should have been. I am not at all optimistic about where this ends up. Not at all.

I would vote for any Democrat on the ticket. I think most Democrats would. So I don’t know if changing candidates would be a bad option. I’m guessing Biden will be the nominee. What does it say about Biden that this is so close and his opponent is a psycho, felon, who stole top secret documents and tried to overthrow the government? What does it say about Biden? What does it say about us? It’s pathetic. We better hope we don’t get what we deserve. I think we are in for some bad times.

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There are risks either way and it is difficult to find some media accounts about those. details. I don't care which way we go as long as some actual wise experts in Dem Party organizations can assess the comparative risks and scenarios.

And I could be fine with a substitute, but we have basically run out of time. The nomination will be held via virtual roll call as has been discussed for the last 2-3 months in order to get Biden on the Ohio ballet. That is important because it should help boost the numbers of Sen. Brown and the downballot state offices as well.

Bloomberg had a piece (yesterday?) saying that the virtual roll call would be on July 21 and the Ohio deadline is Aug 7, so we've got 3-5 weeks before the nomination is held.. It looks like Kristol may have missed this since he mentions a brokered convention.

From June 21: "On Thursday, members of the Democratic National Committee approved moving up the Biden-Harris nomination and to allow for an “electronic” roll call. The vote was 360 for, two against and five abstaining. The date for nominating Biden and Harris has not been set, but it will be before Ohio’s Aug. 7 deadline."

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2024-democratic-national-convention/2024/06/21/dnc-chicago-prime-time-roll-call-biden

Thank you for pushing back on ageism. It is so deeply embedded, its disturbing. DK predictably dealt with it through claims of Biden's good health, then "what about trumps age", etc - all the while repeating the framing focused on chronological age instead of personal experience and assets.

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